Comments on: The Surveillance Society Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Big Brother http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/ The Neat Side of the Web Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:29:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Sarah531 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-257489 Sarah531 Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:25:16 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-257489 Dave P: I don't much like the surveillance society either, but it's never caused any trouble for me, or indeed anyone I know. When I I've only ever seen one or two guns in my entire life and frankly I'd rather keep it that way, and I do value my freedom, indeed. On the other hand, I don't live in London. Believe me, the USA and Britain are pretty much the same in terms of freedom. They have their ups and downs. All this omg-we're-more-free-than-you (which happens on both sides, hell, more often on our side, actually) doesn't particularly help anyone. Er...hope that proved you wrong? Or something. Dave P: I don’t much like the surveillance society either, but it’s never caused any trouble for me, or indeed anyone I know. When I I’ve only ever seen one or two guns in my entire life and frankly I’d rather keep it that way, and I do value my freedom, indeed. On the other hand, I don’t live in London.

Believe me, the USA and Britain are pretty much the same in terms of freedom. They have their ups and downs. All this omg-we’re-more-free-than-you (which happens on both sides, hell, more often on our side, actually) doesn’t particularly help anyone.

Er…hope that proved you wrong? Or something.

]]> By: FetishForPerception http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-257314 FetishForPerception Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:55:27 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-257314 Oh yes! Us Brits love our CCTV nation... Where this article got that from, I do not know! I'm sure the actually statistic for how many cameras there are for each person was higher, something like 1 for every 4 people, not that you can really trust any statistic anyway. Oh yes! Us Brits love our CCTV nation… Where this article got that from, I do not know!

I’m sure the actually statistic for how many cameras there are for each person was higher, something like 1 for every 4 people, not that you can really trust any statistic anyway.

]]> By: dave p. http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-257060 dave p. Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:56:41 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-257060 so first they gave up their right to keep and bear arms to "reduce crime" then their right to privacy for the same reason, yet their crime rate (both violent and non) creeps higher and higher. seems these people don't much value their freedom? I'd enjoy being proven wrong there, but at what point is it to much? how dystopian an existence can you brits handle? -dave p. so first they gave up their right to keep and bear arms to “reduce crime” then their right to privacy for the same reason, yet their crime rate (both violent and non) creeps higher and higher. seems these people don’t much value their freedom? I’d enjoy being proven wrong there, but at what point is it to much? how dystopian an existence can you brits handle?

-dave p.

]]> By: lil Jimmy Eat it http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-257051 lil Jimmy Eat it Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:51:14 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-257051 I don't care if the brits are down on their knees thanking the gestapo, I DON'T WANT CCV IN AMERICA. Last time I checked Freedom meant being free and not being monitored by your government. Anybody who says this is a good idea is lair and possibly some sort of tool of oppression. Keep America Free! Vote Ron Paul! We won't get friggin' CCV on his watch. I don’t care if the brits are down on their knees thanking the gestapo, I DON’T WANT CCV IN AMERICA. Last time I checked Freedom meant being free and not being monitored by your government. Anybody who says this is a good idea is lair and possibly some sort of tool of oppression. Keep America Free! Vote Ron Paul! We won’t get friggin’ CCV on his watch.

]]> By: Powell http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-256345 Powell Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:39:22 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-256345 "Britain is already there - and they don’t seem to mind Big Brother!" That is the single most idiotic thing I have read on this site ever. Who was asked? Who responded that they "dont mind". This is a propaganda piece plain and simple. I guess "minding" the constant surveliance is a thought crime. “Britain is already there - and they don’t seem to mind Big Brother!”
That is the single most idiotic thing I have read on this site ever.
Who was asked? Who responded that they “dont mind”.
This is a propaganda piece plain and simple.
I guess “minding” the constant surveliance is a thought crime.

]]> By: Justin http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-256249 Justin Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:53:14 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-256249 Just curious where you heard that, cause that seems counter-intuitive. Just curious where you heard that, cause that seems counter-intuitive.

]]> By: Alison http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-256079 Alison Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:56:06 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-256079 @Justin: Yeah, I didn't notice the first few times I went there but eventually it was just ridiculous. And the signs they put up everywhere, "Smile, you're probably on CCTV." And yes, the people I've spoken to in the UK who think it's a good idea always mention identifying criminals afterward. Still, that doesn't do much to stop the initial crime, apparently. @Justin: Yeah, I didn’t notice the first few times I went there but eventually it was just ridiculous. And the signs they put up everywhere, “Smile, you’re probably on CCTV.”

And yes, the people I’ve spoken to in the UK who think it’s a good idea always mention identifying criminals afterward. Still, that doesn’t do much to stop the initial crime, apparently.

]]> By: Justin http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-256062 Justin Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:12:36 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-256062 "I was living in the UK for a while and got so used to the feeling of being on camera (not used to being on CCTV, that is, but knowing they were always there), when I came back to the states I still felt as if I was being watched. Never made me feel more safe, though." Really? I've been to the UK a couple times and to be honest, I didn't even think about it at all. I did know about them, just didn't bother me I guess. And Vonskippy while I have no stats to back up my claim, I would imagine even if they didnt statistically reduce the number of crimes, at least it's easier to find the criminal. Take the London bombings for instance. “I was living in the UK for a while and got so used to the feeling of being on camera (not used to being on CCTV, that is, but knowing they were always there), when I came back to the states I still felt as if I was being watched. Never made me feel more safe, though.”

Really? I’ve been to the UK a couple times and to be honest, I didn’t even think about it at all. I did know about them, just didn’t bother me I guess.

And Vonskippy while I have no stats to back up my claim, I would imagine even if they didnt statistically reduce the number of crimes, at least it’s easier to find the criminal. Take the London bombings for instance.

]]> By: Rosi http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-255966 Rosi Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:45:04 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-255966 I live in the UK and it doesn't really bother me. I'm sure the government has better things to do than spy on you constantly. But I have to say I'm definitely in the minority here. People are freaking out about it all over. And it doesn't really stop crime, which is still really high. It's pretty pointless scheme. The speaker thing is ridiculous though. Who's going to listen to it? I live in the UK and it doesn’t really bother me. I’m sure the government has better things to do than spy on you constantly. But I have to say I’m definitely in the minority here. People are freaking out about it all over. And it doesn’t really stop crime, which is still really high. It’s pretty pointless scheme.
The speaker thing is ridiculous though. Who’s going to listen to it?

]]> By: Dim67 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-255714 Dim67 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:52:43 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-255714 Welcome to 1984. Welcome to 1984.

]]> By: Alison http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-255573 Alison Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:49:18 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-255573 I was living in the UK for a while and got so used to the feeling of being on camera (not used to being on CCTV, that is, but knowing they were always there), when I came back to the states I still felt as if I was being watched. Never made me feel more safe, though. I was living in the UK for a while and got so used to the feeling of being on camera (not used to being on CCTV, that is, but knowing they were always there), when I came back to the states I still felt as if I was being watched. Never made me feel more safe, though.

]]> By: Vonskippy http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-255520 Vonskippy Sat, 20 Oct 2007 02:12:00 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-255520 No clue what the article said - like most people, not only don't I want a camera watching my every move, but I REFUSE to register just to view a web article (and yes I know about Bugmenot - by why bother, I'm not a trained monkey nor do I like jumping thru hoops). Rant aside, studies have shown that there is NO correlation between public surveillance and reduction of crime. That's right, none, zip, nadda - so you p*ss away your privacy, spend all that money on the infrastructure and maintenance and get ZIPPO (except of course less privacy) in return. No clue what the article said - like most people, not only don’t I want a camera watching my every move, but I REFUSE to register just to view a web article (and yes I know about Bugmenot - by why bother, I’m not a trained monkey nor do I like jumping thru hoops).

Rant aside, studies have shown that there is NO correlation between public surveillance and reduction of crime. That’s right, none, zip, nadda - so you p*ss away your privacy, spend all that money on the infrastructure and maintenance and get ZIPPO (except of course less privacy) in return.

]]> By: Sarah124 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-255468 Sarah124 Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:34:55 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-255468 That's not exactly correct folks. Loads of UK newspapers and news programmes have covered this topic, and people are generally not happy about the state of things. I fear whoever expressed that opinion is just trying to coax Americans down the same path because "brits are doing it". That’s not exactly correct folks.

Loads of UK newspapers and news programmes have covered this topic, and people are generally not happy about the state of things.

I fear whoever expressed that opinion is just trying to coax Americans down the same path because “brits are doing it”.

]]> By: Justin http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-255432 Justin Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:03:00 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/19/the-surveillance-society-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-big-brother/#comment-255432 The speaker thing is kind of creepy! STOP PISSING IN THE ALLEY WAY YOU DRUNK! The speaker thing is kind of creepy!

STOP PISSING IN THE ALLEY WAY YOU DRUNK!

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