Comments on: 6-Year-Old Girl's Chalk Drawing: Art or Graffiti? http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/ The Neat Side of the Web Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:10:05 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Hayofa http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-253671 Hayofa Wed, 17 Oct 2007 21:32:07 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-253671 grownups suck grownups suck

]]> By: Justin http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-253592 Justin Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:17:24 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-253592 IDAVE, Perhaps my wording was a little off, instead of "have to" I would say "they are supposed to". This doesn't change my previous statement. As for not knowing my history... I think it is you who should re-read what Common Law actually is. I'll give a quote for you and cite it so you can read the entire article. "In common law legal systems, the law is created and/or refined by judges: a decision in the case currently pending depends on decisions in previous cases and affects the law to be applied in future cases. When there is no authoritative statement of the law, common law judges have the authority and duty to "make" law by creating precedent" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law Common Law deals with judges and how they can decide cases. It does not apply to police officers even if you see a similarity. I don't mean to flame you, but as a history major I get a little riled up when people accuse me of not knowing my "effin" history. IDAVE,

Perhaps my wording was a little off, instead of "have to" I would say "they are supposed to". This doesn't change my previous statement.

As for not knowing my history... I think it is you who should re-read what Common Law actually is.

I'll give a quote for you and cite it so you can read the entire article.

"In common law legal systems, the law is created and/or refined by judges: a decision in the case currently pending depends on decisions in previous cases and affects the law to be applied in future cases. When there is no authoritative statement of the law, common law judges have the authority and duty to "make" law by creating precedent"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law

Common Law deals with judges and how they can decide cases. It does not apply to police officers even if you see a similarity.

I don't mean to flame you, but as a history major I get a little riled up when people accuse me of not knowing my "effin" history.

]]> By: Sid Morrison http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-253551 Sid Morrison Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:55:58 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-253551 I'm pretty down on grafitti (read some of my prior posts on Banksy, et al), but a kid using chalk on a side walk is non-destructive, good creative entertainment, and has been part of being a kids for hundred of years. No harm done (as long as it's "clean" and non-threatening)... these neighbors are being pricks. I also occasionally follow Shorpy.com, a blog with old photos. The following one from NYC 1911 shows some city sidewalk chalk "graffiti" (near the kid running at lower right). Great photo. http://www.shorpy.com/node/1783?size=_original (there's a smaller version at here: http://www.shorpy.com/node/1782?size=_original) I'm pretty down on grafitti (read some of my prior posts on Banksy, et al), but a kid using chalk on a side walk is non-destructive, good creative entertainment, and has been part of being a kids for hundred of years. No harm done (as long as it's "clean" and non-threatening)... these neighbors are being pricks.

I also occasionally follow Shorpy.com, a blog with old photos. The following one from NYC 1911 shows some city sidewalk chalk "graffiti" (near the kid running at lower right). Great photo.
http://www.shorpy.com/node/1783?size=_original

(there's a smaller version at here:
http://www.shorpy.com/node/1782?size=_original)

]]> By: lDAVE http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-253512 lDAVE Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:22:38 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-253512 "Once they are called onto the scene, the cops have to uphold the laws." NO THEY DON'T!!! Cops Selectively enforce laws EVERYDAY! In fact there has been a provision in western common law for selective enforcement since the Middle Ages! Learn some effin history folks! As for the Idiot who said "This is America folks — LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!" Why would i want to leave America just to be Victimized by it's Foreign Policy? "Once they are called onto the scene, the cops have to uphold the laws."

NO THEY DON'T!!!

Cops Selectively enforce laws EVERYDAY!

In fact there has been a provision in western common law for selective enforcement since the Middle Ages! Learn some effin history folks!

As for the Idiot who said "This is America folks — LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!"

Why would i want to leave America just to be Victimized by it's Foreign Policy?

]]> By: XuYu http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-253062 XuYu Wed, 17 Oct 2007 06:16:44 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-253062 This is America folks -- LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!! This is America folks -- LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!

]]> By: Jacki http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252899 Jacki Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:55:21 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252899 How anal... How anal...

]]> By: Brad http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252756 Brad Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:28:40 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252756 If that law is stated in it's fullest, there is no law against writing on sidewalks. It states "commercial building or residential building" If that law is stated in it's fullest, there is no law against writing on sidewalks. It states "commercial building or residential building"

]]> By: Sam http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252714 Sam Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:50:02 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252714 Better outlaw sidewalk chalk. Where are you supposed to use sidewalk chalk if not on the sidewalk? Better outlaw sidewalk chalk.

Where are you supposed to use sidewalk chalk if not on the sidewalk?

]]> By: five_fingers http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252566 five_fingers Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:39:37 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252566 What about this <a href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/11/reverse-graffiti/" rel="nofollow">guy</a>? What about this guy?

]]> By: Snappy http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252536 Snappy Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:16:39 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252536 To be fair, they should give citations to Julie Andrews and Dick Van Dyke as well. (And don't forget flinging them halfway across town with a giant, baited slingshot! Wee!) To be fair, they should give citations to Julie Andrews and Dick Van Dyke as well. (And don't forget flinging them halfway across town with a giant, baited slingshot! Wee!)

]]> By: Eric Monse http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252524 Eric Monse Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:07:23 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252524 This is the lamest thing ever. It's amazing what some people are threatened by. This is the lamest thing ever. It's amazing what some people are threatened by.

]]> By: Johnald_Chaffinch http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252512 Johnald_Chaffinch Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:00:20 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252512 we really should boycott corporate advertising in streets, we dont want them there! we really should boycott corporate advertising in streets, we dont want them there!

]]> By: The Slapster http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252490 The Slapster Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:46:45 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252490 They should organize a Chalk-a-thon, with ALL the neighborhood kids they find, covering every single square inch of sidewalk with chalk art. Peaceful protest baby, use it! They should organize a Chalk-a-thon, with ALL the neighborhood kids they find, covering every single square inch of sidewalk with chalk art. Peaceful protest baby, use it!

]]> By: Izzy_Evil http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252479 Izzy_Evil Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:38:22 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252479 Under that deffinition, Advertisments would become illegal. If only. Under that deffinition, Advertisments would become illegal. If only.

]]> By: Lea http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252468 Lea Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:29:15 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252468 That neighbor needs chalk shoved somewhere unpleasant. Seriously though, they tried to pass that in Cincinnati a while back. IT WASHES AWAY and its CUTE. At least she was outside and using her imagination, not watching TV or doing something equally immobile. Once again, it is proven that people suck. A LOT. That neighbor needs chalk shoved somewhere unpleasant. Seriously though, they tried to pass that in Cincinnati a while back.
IT WASHES AWAY and its CUTE.
At least she was outside and using her imagination, not watching TV or doing something equally immobile.
Once again, it is proven that people suck. A LOT.

]]> By: jonn http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252465 jonn Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:27:41 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252465 Justin makes a good point - you gotta enforce the laws, otherwise they are just guidelines. BUT! She's a kid. It was chalk. She did her job... Now let's hope (and I know they won't) that NY does a good job amending this law to make it do what they wanted it to do. AND! That neighbor should be (and this being the only time I will ever quote from Jim Davis' absurdly terrible comic) "drug out into the street and shot." Justin makes a good point - you gotta enforce the laws, otherwise they are just guidelines.

BUT!

She's a kid. It was chalk. She did her job...

Now let's hope (and I know they won't) that NY does a good job amending this law to make it do what they wanted it to do.

AND!

That neighbor should be (and this being the only time I will ever quote from Jim Davis' absurdly terrible comic) "drug out into the street and shot."

]]> By: Levi http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252436 Levi Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:02:01 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252436 she just looks guilty... throw the book at her... she just looks guilty... throw the book at her...

]]> By: Denita TwoDragons http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252338 Denita TwoDragons Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:14:04 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252338 Oh for Montezuma's Mother In-Law's sake...if they're going to be that uptight about a kid's chalk drawings, they'd die of apoplexy at the sight of my carport floor. My son has a passion for drawing maps and floor plans all over it. I don't get mad, I get more chalk! --TwoDragons Oh for Montezuma's Mother In-Law's sake...if they're going to be that uptight about a kid's chalk drawings, they'd die of apoplexy at the sight of my carport floor.

My son has a passion for drawing maps and floor plans all over it. I don't get mad, I get more chalk!

--TwoDragons

]]> By: Justin http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252329 Justin Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:09:44 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252329 It's unfortunate to see well intentioned laws go this far to the extreme. To be just though, you are supposed to enforce the laws equally. Otherwise it will just be abused. Now, obviously most of us wouldn't mind children making innocent chalk drawings, but then where do you draw the line legally? What if the child was writing offensive words, or gang signs? The real person to blame is the uptight neighbor who called the police. Once they are called onto the scene, the cops have to uphold the laws. It's not like the police were roaming the streets in search of child chalk drawings... It's unfortunate to see well intentioned laws go this far to the extreme.

To be just though, you are supposed to enforce the laws equally.

Otherwise it will just be abused. Now, obviously most of us wouldn't mind children making innocent chalk drawings, but then where do you draw the line legally? What if the child was writing offensive words, or gang signs?

The real person to blame is the uptight neighbor who called the police. Once they are called onto the scene, the cops have to uphold the laws.

It's not like the police were roaming the streets in search of child chalk drawings...

]]> By: Erik http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252320 Erik Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:01:08 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252320 first - what the hell? people suck. second - i wish i could have been that bad-ass when i was six. keep up the great "graffiti"! first - what the hell? people suck.

second - i wish i could have been that bad-ass when i was six. keep up the great "graffiti"!

]]> By: biltmore http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252310 biltmore Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:53:21 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252310 Someone smack that city worker upside the head for being both an asshat and a dribblecup. Someone smack that city worker upside the head for being both an asshat and a dribblecup.

]]> By: L http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/comment-page-1/#comment-252291 L Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:43:36 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/10/16/6-year-old-girls-chalk-drawing-art-or-graffiti/#comment-252291 I certainly wouldn't count it as a crime. It's not like spray paint. It will wash off next time it rains. I certainly wouldn't count it as a crime. It's not like spray paint. It will wash off next time it rains.

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