Comments on: The Photo Album of SS-Obersturmführer Karl Höcker http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/ The Neat Side of the Web Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:53:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: major http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-283271 major Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:04:29 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-283271 Previous comments comparing the monstrosity of the the Nazi extermination camps to Abu Grabe is total B_____t!!! People saying that, are communist propagandists or the useful idiots of same How do you compare Abu Grabe (underwear on heads) to the beheading of helpless Americans on video by terrorists... Then also say that Abu Grabe was on the scale of Auschwitz where over 2.5 million people were mass exterminated... Whats mesmerizing about these photos is that the indiviudals could be normal individuals in any other setting but somehow the consummate evil of Nazism turned them into monsters for all history I cant stop staring at their faces and wondering is that really all of us at some other time and in some other place,or is there really something about them in particular such that they would always be the monsters they are... Evil may be dormant in each of us waiting to be unleashed by the wrong sequence of life events... Previous comments comparing the monstrosity of the the Nazi extermination camps to Abu Grabe is total B_____t!!! People saying that, are communist propagandists or the useful idiots of same

How do you compare Abu Grabe (underwear on heads) to the beheading of helpless Americans on video by terrorists…

Then also say that Abu Grabe was on the scale of Auschwitz where over 2.5 million people were mass exterminated…

Whats mesmerizing about these photos is that the indiviudals could be normal individuals in any other setting but somehow the consummate evil of Nazism turned them into monsters for all history

I cant stop staring at their faces and wondering is that really all of us at some other time and in some other place,or is there really something about them in particular such that they would always be the monsters they are…

Evil may be dormant in each of us waiting to be unleashed by the wrong sequence of life events…

]]> By: physco219 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-238341 physco219 Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:52:41 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-238341 Just goes to show you that people are people. Hell even the Jewish people celebrated birthdays and such during the oppression even when many of them knew their fellow neighbors, friends, relatives and such were being tortured, butchered, and killed. Perhaps this was their only way of release for all the sadness they must not only have seen and possibly participated in, but in some ways they too were coerced into. Dave I love what you said "I remember reading something written by one of the guys who testified at the Nuremberg Trials; when he first saw one of the Nazi defendants he was struck by the realization that if circumstances were changed, he could be capable of the same wickedness." So well put, and my point exactly. Thank you. Just goes to show you that people are people. Hell even the Jewish people celebrated birthdays and such during the oppression even when many of them knew their fellow neighbors, friends, relatives and such were being tortured, butchered, and killed. Perhaps this was their only way of release for all the sadness they must not only have seen and possibly participated in, but in some ways they too were coerced into. Dave I love what you said “I remember reading something written by one of the guys who testified at the Nuremberg Trials; when he first saw one of the Nazi defendants he was struck by the realization that if circumstances were changed, he could be capable of the same wickedness.” So well put, and my point exactly. Thank you.

]]> By: ted http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-232141 ted Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:08:13 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-232141 Not a very exciting collection of photos. I suppose we're meant to feel some sort of disgust. I would say Auschwitz is a pretty extreme example of a "human rights violation". To trivialize it as such shows a lack of understanding and human compassion. The funny thing about when people kill their spouses, or are found to be serial killers, is the neighbours always say, "but he/she was such a nice person." They're always surprised. The fact is you can be a "nice" person and still do horrible things, or turn a blind eye to atrocities. Not a very exciting collection of photos.
I suppose we’re meant to feel some sort of disgust.

I would say Auschwitz is a pretty extreme example of a “human rights violation”. To trivialize it as such shows a lack of understanding and human compassion.

The funny thing about when people kill their spouses, or are found to be serial killers, is the neighbours always say, “but he/she was such a nice person.” They’re always surprised. The fact is you can be a “nice” person and still do horrible things, or turn a blind eye to atrocities.

]]> By: Rob http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-232025 Rob Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:39:28 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-232025 In a similar vein to some of the comments, I like what the Rotten Library has to to say: "The mistake often made in describing the crimes and actions of the Third Reich is to somehow dehumanize them, turn all the players into demons and monsters, the same techniques used by the Nazis themselves to target and exterminate Jews and other undesirables. To dehumanize Nazis is to turn them into archetypes as opposed to functioning humans; it sets us up to be "surprised" again when traits of the Nazis show up elsewhere, in other places, at a lessened level but with the same misguided goals and logic behind them." In a similar vein to some of the comments, I like what the Rotten Library has to to say:

“The mistake often made in describing the crimes and actions of the Third Reich is to somehow dehumanize them, turn all the players into demons and monsters, the same techniques used by the Nazis themselves to target and exterminate Jews and other undesirables. To dehumanize Nazis is to turn them into archetypes as opposed to functioning humans; it sets us up to be “surprised” again when traits of the Nazis show up elsewhere, in other places, at a lessened level but with the same misguided goals and logic behind them.”

]]> By: Kct http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231977 Kct Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:24:04 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231977 Nice photo. Perfect light and excellent frame. The ww2 was really amusing. Nice photo. Perfect light and excellent frame.
The ww2 was really amusing.

]]> By: Dave http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231956 Dave Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:37:27 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231956 Under that veneer of maniacal sadism, they are just plain folks. Or is it the other way round... A veneer of plain folk covering a core of maniacal sadism? I remember reading something written by one of the guys who testified at the Nuremberg Trials; when he first saw one of the Nazi defendants he was struck by the realization that if circumstances were changed, he could be capable of the same wickedness. Under that veneer of maniacal sadism, they are just plain folks.

Or is it the other way round… A veneer of plain folk covering a core of maniacal sadism?

I remember reading something written by one of the guys who testified at the Nuremberg Trials; when he first saw one of the Nazi defendants he was struck by the realization that if circumstances were changed, he could be capable of the same wickedness.

]]> By: Akiro http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231936 Akiro Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:35:18 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231936 I just think its interesting the majority of people view those SS officers who worked at the camps as gouls and completely inhuman, but when we see this one is forced to see that they were human, and also could be happy at times. Just interesting to see the other side I suppose. I just think its interesting the majority of people view those SS officers who worked at the camps as gouls and completely inhuman, but when we see this one is forced to see that they were human, and also could be happy at times.

Just interesting to see the other side I suppose.

]]> By: Ali S. http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231878 Ali S. Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:06:50 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231878 I believe that any abuse of human life and rights is always condemnable. No matter when it happened or where. I believe that any abuse of human life and rights is always condemnable. No matter when it happened or where.

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231848 Jennifer Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:37:28 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231848 To 'L' Are you saying that Abu Ghraib was worse then what happened at Auschwitz? To ‘L’

Are you saying that Abu Ghraib was worse then what happened at Auschwitz?

]]> By: L http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231836 L Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:17:50 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231836 Abu Ghraib photos, anyone? At least these folks weren't posing with their victims. How soon people forget... Abu Ghraib photos, anyone? At least these folks weren’t posing with their victims.

How soon people forget…

]]> By: L.B. Jeffries http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231805 L.B. Jeffries Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:13:17 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231805 Okay, maybe that was a bit over the top... Okay, maybe that was a bit over the top…

]]> By: L.B. Jeffries http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231802 L.B. Jeffries Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:10:32 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231802 Wow, now I know what people in third world countries think when they watch American television. Wow, now I know what people in third world countries think when they watch American television.

]]> By: The Slapster http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231800 The Slapster Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:06:50 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/09/23/the-photo-album-of-ss-obersturmfuhrer-karl-hocker/#comment-231800 That's chilling, to look at a picture like that, or some of the others like th elounge chair group, that could very well be any other vacation or happy group of people. Then to realize the abject nightmare they're in the center of, with no regard to the suffering & destruction all around them. Just plain disturbing really. That’s chilling, to look at a picture like that, or some of the others like th elounge chair group, that could very well be any other vacation or happy group of people. Then to realize the abject nightmare they’re in the center of, with no regard to the suffering & destruction all around them. Just plain disturbing really.

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