Comments on: The Wheel of the Innocents. http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/ The Neat Side of the Web Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:15:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: psamathe http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-170146 psamathe Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:36:47 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-170146 lol 'its so unfair men aren't allowed to get pregnant and womaen can. sexist, even' 'those bastard brats are MENANCES, and their slut mothers get buckets of freebies and rewards they don't deserve' 'rapists would make way better parents than their fifteen year old victims' lol

‘its so unfair men aren’t allowed to get pregnant and womaen can. sexist, even’

‘those bastard brats are MENANCES, and their slut mothers get buckets of freebies and rewards they don’t deserve’

‘rapists would make way better parents than their fifteen year old victims’

]]> By: eric http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169961 eric Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:53:45 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169961 This option still exists in many places. Japan recently opened a modern version of the same thing. Calling it a baby drop box. Unfortunatly, the first "baby" was a three year old kid. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18709944/ Regardless of the above, yes the father has rights to the child, but for whatever reason his rights are often not followed up on. If this gives a mother and child an option for a better life, I say give them the chance. This option still exists in many places. Japan recently opened a modern version of the same thing. Calling it a baby drop box. Unfortunatly, the first “baby” was a three year old kid.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18709944/

Regardless of the above, yes the father has rights to the child, but for whatever reason his rights are often not followed up on.

If this gives a mother and child an option for a better life, I say give them the chance.

]]> By: MisterTrilby http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169718 MisterTrilby Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:27:28 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169718 Mike is right. A woman has the right to choose, but the father has no say. Yes, some unwanted babies are concieved through rape. But more women get pregnant by lying to their partners about birth control than get pregnant by rape. So the woman gets pregnant by deceit and the man has to pay child support. This happens more often than you might think. She can have an abortion if she doesn't want to be a mother, but the man has no such option if he doesn't want to be a father. Of course I don't think that men should be able to force womaen to have abortions, but there is no way of men opting out of fatherhood if the woman chooses to have the baby, which is patently unfair. Sexist, even. And no, paternal abstinence is not the solution: it takes two, people. Mike is right. A woman has the right to choose, but the father has no say. Yes, some unwanted babies are concieved through rape. But more women get pregnant by lying to their partners about birth control than get pregnant by rape. So the woman gets pregnant by deceit and the man has to pay child support. This happens more often than you might think. She can have an abortion if she doesn’t want to be a mother, but the man has no such option if he doesn’t want to be a father. Of course I don’t think that men should be able to force womaen to have abortions, but there is no way of men opting out of fatherhood if the woman chooses to have the baby, which is patently unfair. Sexist, even. And no, paternal abstinence is not the solution: it takes two, people.

]]> By: Tim Giachetti http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169669 Tim Giachetti Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:36:14 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169669 You mods are quick. Nice edit, and you are right, not needed on this blog. Thnx You mods are quick. Nice edit, and you are right, not needed on this blog. Thnx

]]> By: Tim Giachetti http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169668 Tim Giachetti Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:35:25 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169668 I am torn between what I was raised to believe and my own personal view. Very controversial and it is sad that it is shown to be the "norm" for centuries, and up to today. It sure beats paramedics breathing life into a dumpster baby. L has a great view on it, and being a very irisponsible I am torn between what I was raised to believe and my own personal view. Very controversial and it is sad that it is shown to be the “norm” for centuries, and up to today.
It sure beats paramedics breathing life into a dumpster baby.
L has a great view on it, and being a very irisponsible

]]> By: Tere http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169450 Tere Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:40:38 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169450 I think this kind of "wheel of the innocents" exists in other parts of Europe, mostly in catholic convents of closed orders. In Spain we call that wheel "torno", and it's the same, the nuns used this wheel to contact with the world, and there they found food, money or, as you say, abandonned babies. I think this kind of “wheel of the innocents” exists in other parts of Europe, mostly in catholic convents of closed orders. In Spain we call that wheel “torno”, and it’s the same, the nuns used this wheel to contact with the world, and there they found food, money or, as you say, abandonned babies.

]]> By: Sid Morrison http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169445 Sid Morrison Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:32:48 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169445 I think the idea itself is a great one. We'd be a lot better off if parents who couldn't care for their babies (emotionally or financially) turned them over to wanting couples who could. Unfortunately, in today's society (American... I don't know about yours), illegitimate births are no longer scandalized and the women (yes, the scum "baby daddies" are usually long gone) are in fact rewarded with greater and greater dispursements from the public trough. The resultant children are rarely cared for well, and through lack of proper parenting, wind up being menances and drains on society themselves. By the time most of them ultimately wind up in the foster care system, they are incorrigible and unadoptable. If we stopped rewarding out-of-wedlock birth, many of these babies would be given a proper home and loving upbringing (the enablers to success) rather than being seen as ticket to a bigger bucket of freebies. Straight talk from Sid. I think the idea itself is a great one. We’d be a lot better off if parents who couldn’t care for their babies (emotionally or financially) turned them over to wanting couples who could.

Unfortunately, in today’s society (American… I don’t know about yours), illegitimate births are no longer scandalized and the women (yes, the scum “baby daddies” are usually long gone) are in fact rewarded with greater and greater dispursements from the public trough. The resultant children are rarely cared for well, and through lack of proper parenting, wind up being menances and drains on society themselves. By the time most of them ultimately wind up in the foster care system, they are incorrigible and unadoptable. If we stopped rewarding out-of-wedlock birth, many of these babies would be given a proper home and loving upbringing (the enablers to success) rather than being seen as ticket to a bigger bucket of freebies.

Straight talk from Sid.

]]> By: L http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169410 L Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:41:25 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169410 Great idea, Mike. Let's hand the kid over to the irresponsible prick who got the woman pregnant in the first place (all rape victims should want their baby raised by their rapist, right?). If the mother feels she has no options other than to give away her baby, I'd be willing to bet that the father (in most cases) is long gone. And yes, it is okay for the mother to make that decision, especially if the father is no longer in the picture. She's the one who had to put up with the baby taking nutrients from her body, giving her stretch marks, causing her pain and discomfort, and ultimately putting her life at risk. She's also going to have to do most of the child-rearing. It's her choice (and I don't see why it's such a horrible choice to give up your baby when you know you can't properly take care of it... seems like the more loving thing to do...). Great idea, Mike. Let’s hand the kid over to the irresponsible prick who got the woman pregnant in the first place (all rape victims should want their baby raised by their rapist, right?). If the mother feels she has no options other than to give away her baby, I’d be willing to bet that the father (in most cases) is long gone.

And yes, it is okay for the mother to make that decision, especially if the father is no longer in the picture. She’s the one who had to put up with the baby taking nutrients from her body, giving her stretch marks, causing her pain and discomfort, and ultimately putting her life at risk. She’s also going to have to do most of the child-rearing. It’s her choice (and I don’t see why it’s such a horrible choice to give up your baby when you know you can’t properly take care of it… seems like the more loving thing to do…).

]]> By: Laura http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169382 Laura Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:45:41 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169382 As someone who was adopted herself, and whom discovered (after finding her birthmother) that my birth father does not know i exsist, I would hazard to guess that women who abandon thier babies do not have a support network to fall back on.. this means no loving partner, no supporting family. My mother was able to keep my older brother, whom she had with her first husband as a teen and was raised by his paternal grandparents, but I was given up for adoption because i was the product of a brief relationship that ended prior to her even discovering that she was pregnant and by that time was in no position to raise a child or have family who could take the responsibility on themselves. If a father figure is there to take that responsibility then of course, these women would not be in the position they are in. The sad fact is, too many people are all about the sexual act without thinking of the resulting consequences. As someone who was adopted herself, and whom discovered (after finding her birthmother) that my birth father does not know i exsist, I would hazard to guess that women who abandon thier babies do not have a support network to fall back on.. this means no loving partner, no supporting family. My mother was able to keep my older brother, whom she had with her first husband as a teen and was raised by his paternal grandparents, but I was given up for adoption because i was the product of a brief relationship that ended prior to her even discovering that she was pregnant and by that time was in no position to raise a child or have family who could take the responsibility on themselves. If a father figure is there to take that responsibility then of course, these women would not be in the position they are in. The sad fact is, too many people are all about the sexual act without thinking of the resulting consequences.

]]> By: Mike http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169374 Mike Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:32:21 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/31/the-wheel-of-the-innocents/#comment-169374 This is beyond shameful, mainly because the father is apparently deemed to have no rights whatsoever. Does he have NO say in what happens to his child?? Wouldn't some (possibly many) of these children be better off if the father was given a chance to care for them? This is a sad indictment of the perceived worth of fathers, not just in this society, but in many. Is the father allowed to "donate" a baby without consent of the mother? Of course not- *that* would be "wrong". But it's okay for mom to dump her kid like a used bottle. This is beyond shameful, mainly because the father is apparently deemed to have no rights whatsoever. Does he have NO say in what happens to his child?? Wouldn’t some (possibly many) of these children be better off if the father was given a chance to care for them? This is a sad indictment of the perceived worth of fathers, not just in this society, but in many. Is the father allowed to “donate” a baby without consent of the mother? Of course not- *that* would be “wrong”. But it’s okay for mom to dump her kid like a used bottle.

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