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		<title>By: Nadia</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/09/beach-hotel-for-rich-devout-muslim-turks/#comment-685383</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some people on here say "free women" or she's oppressed just because she's fully dressed 
(as if thats degrading) but I dont see you guys protesting women being degraded on porn sites saying this kind of stuff like "free women" or "respect women". If a woman is fully naked with cum all over her all of you shut up and stay quiet about it, but if she's covered up all of a sudden theres something wrong with it and you start protesting! Since when is modesty a BAD thing?!!?!?!?!?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some people on here say &#8220;free women&#8221; or she&#8217;s oppressed just because she&#8217;s fully dressed<br />
(as if thats degrading) but I dont see you guys protesting women being degraded on porn sites saying this kind of stuff like &#8220;free women&#8221; or &#8220;respect women&#8221;. If a woman is fully naked with cum all over her all of you shut up and stay quiet about it, but if she&#8217;s covered up all of a sudden theres something wrong with it and you start protesting! Since when is modesty a BAD thing?!!?!?!?!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/09/beach-hotel-for-rich-devout-muslim-turks/#comment-197595</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the giant purple condom,
Why is hiding your beauty such a big deal.  I have been a non-muslim woman, and it's no fun having to make sure you look pritty to be accepted.It's a sad fact that a womans worth is often judged on her apearance.  I cover up fully and it's not holding me back from pusuing a PhD in Neuroscience.  I know of men at work rating girls on their apearance, having bets...Islam gives a woman the tools the put up a guard! No I am not an object to be spoken about as if an object.  I am to be taken seriously and not here for a one night stand.  No, muslim woman are not ashamed of their bodies or sexuality!  We simply have rules and regulations defining where (i.e marriage) it can take place.  Not forgetting that these rules also aply to men!  On that note men also have areas they must cover....

The media sells almost everything (alcohol, cars...) with a naked woman.  Surley that proves the point.  If you think that walking around with your body exposed liberates you then surely your insane!  How can putting your self on display like a piece of meat, for every randy builder to look at make you feel free?  I understand the whole thing of wanting to look and feel beatiful.  I can say that we are probably better pampared than you (i.e low exposure to harmful UV rays, harsh wind)...especially some of the richer muslims.  Anyway:

Oh disbeleivers...to you be your relegion and to me be mine, alhamdilAllah xx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the giant purple condom,<br />
Why is hiding your beauty such a big deal.  I have been a non-muslim woman, and it&#8217;s no fun having to make sure you look pritty to be accepted.It&#8217;s a sad fact that a womans worth is often judged on her apearance.  I cover up fully and it&#8217;s not holding me back from pusuing a PhD in Neuroscience.  I know of men at work rating girls on their apearance, having bets&#8230;Islam gives a woman the tools the put up a guard! No I am not an object to be spoken about as if an object.  I am to be taken seriously and not here for a one night stand.  No, muslim woman are not ashamed of their bodies or sexuality!  We simply have rules and regulations defining where (i.e marriage) it can take place.  Not forgetting that these rules also aply to men!  On that note men also have areas they must cover&#8230;.</p>
<p>The media sells almost everything (alcohol, cars&#8230;) with a naked woman.  Surley that proves the point.  If you think that walking around with your body exposed liberates you then surely your insane!  How can putting your self on display like a piece of meat, for every randy builder to look at make you feel free?  I understand the whole thing of wanting to look and feel beatiful.  I can say that we are probably better pampared than you (i.e low exposure to harmful UV rays, harsh wind)&#8230;especially some of the richer muslims.  Anyway:</p>
<p>Oh disbeleivers&#8230;to you be your relegion and to me be mine, alhamdilAllah xx</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/09/beach-hotel-for-rich-devout-muslim-turks/#comment-149815</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hesitate to comment this thread, since it quickly heated up.  Still, Miranda Vink's comment that:

"Muslim women are indoctrinated by their religion and orthodox environment to feel ashamed of their sex and their body."

raised some thoughts for me.  Our U.S. and western culture promotes an environment where women can wear a wide range of clothing, from highly covering to very skimpy.  Still, can we honestly say that U.S. women are not still ashamed of their bodies?  Body image and anxiety is a major concern for women, and images of professionally beautiful women, now enhanced by computer manipulation, is seen as the norm.

I do not condone or agree with the theory that incidental viewing of a woman's body drives helpless men into sin, and therefore women should be hidden at all times, but our own culture doesn't actually promote healthy self-acceptance either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hesitate to comment this thread, since it quickly heated up.  Still, Miranda Vink&#8217;s comment that:</p>
<p>&#8220;Muslim women are indoctrinated by their religion and orthodox environment to feel ashamed of their sex and their body.&#8221;</p>
<p>raised some thoughts for me.  Our U.S. and western culture promotes an environment where women can wear a wide range of clothing, from highly covering to very skimpy.  Still, can we honestly say that U.S. women are not still ashamed of their bodies?  Body image and anxiety is a major concern for women, and images of professionally beautiful women, now enhanced by computer manipulation, is seen as the norm.</p>
<p>I do not condone or agree with the theory that incidental viewing of a woman&#8217;s body drives helpless men into sin, and therefore women should be hidden at all times, but our own culture doesn&#8217;t actually promote healthy self-acceptance either.</p>
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		<title>By: Miranda Vink</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/09/beach-hotel-for-rich-devout-muslim-turks/#comment-149278</link>
		<dc:creator>Miranda Vink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Hazma, it IS oppression. Muslim women are indoctrinated by their religion and orthodox environment to feel ashamed of their sex and their body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Hazma, it IS oppression. Muslim women are indoctrinated by their religion and orthodox environment to feel ashamed of their sex and their body.</p>
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		<title>By: hamza</title>
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		<dc:creator>hamza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i hate how Western society views this aspect of Islamic culture as "degrading to women". This is not about oppression, its about choice. If women choose to cover themselves while enjoying a nice day at the beach then all power to them! My gf CHOOSES to wear a head-scarf, not because she has to, but because she WANTS to. And this is Canada we'r talking about. And im perfectly ok with her views, i dont discriminate against her. We all need to be more tolerant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hate how Western society views this aspect of Islamic culture as &#8220;degrading to women&#8221;. This is not about oppression, its about choice. If women choose to cover themselves while enjoying a nice day at the beach then all power to them! My gf CHOOSES to wear a head-scarf, not because she has to, but because she WANTS to. And this is Canada we&#8217;r talking about. And im perfectly ok with her views, i dont discriminate against her. We all need to be more tolerant.</p>
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		<title>By: meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of muslim women who wear it see it as a sign of beauty, of a forbidden fruit of sorts. Sure, there are some who are pressured into wearing it because of their family/society, but most of them, even ones who believe in women's rights, think that it's no curse.

Granted, that purple thing isn't exactly the most elegant of coverings, I can see where they come from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of muslim women who wear it see it as a sign of beauty, of a forbidden fruit of sorts. Sure, there are some who are pressured into wearing it because of their family/society, but most of them, even ones who believe in women&#8217;s rights, think that it&#8217;s no curse.</p>
<p>Granted, that purple thing isn&#8217;t exactly the most elegant of coverings, I can see where they come from.</p>
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		<title>By: Hula</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/09/beach-hotel-for-rich-devout-muslim-turks/#comment-148663</link>
		<dc:creator>Hula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, seriously, if you "canâ€™t understand why dressing like a giant purple condom is more acceptable than showing a little skin..." then you don't know much about Islam.  It's all about modesty.  

Why would you care if you don't wear it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, seriously, if you &#8220;canâ€™t understand why dressing like a giant purple condom is more acceptable than showing a little skin&#8230;&#8221; then you don&#8217;t know much about Islam.  It&#8217;s all about modesty.  </p>
<p>Why would you care if you don&#8217;t wear it?</p>
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		<title>By: pilak</title>
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		<dc:creator>pilak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 19:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obviously women would choose to do that..if all you get is stares and curses if an inch of skin shows!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obviously women would choose to do that..if all you get is stares and curses if an inch of skin shows!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lady Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lady Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 17:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I'd probably feel more comfortable in that than a string bikini. No worrying about sunburn or any cellulite! 

And plus, with how strongly secular Turkey has become, if you're going to wear that, it's pretty well guaranteed to be a personal choice. You folks need to get a grip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I&#8217;d probably feel more comfortable in that than a string bikini. No worrying about sunburn or any cellulite! </p>
<p>And plus, with how strongly secular Turkey has become, if you&#8217;re going to wear that, it&#8217;s pretty well guaranteed to be a personal choice. You folks need to get a grip.</p>
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		<title>By: L</title>
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		<dc:creator>L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Women may "choose" to do this, but...  Oh, never mind.  I do have to say, though, that I can't understand why dressing like a giant purple condom is more acceptable than showing a little skin...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women may &#8220;choose&#8221; to do this, but&#8230;  Oh, never mind.  I do have to say, though, that I can&#8217;t understand why dressing like a giant purple condom is more acceptable than showing a little skin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hula</title>
		<link>http://www.neatorama.com/2007/07/09/beach-hotel-for-rich-devout-muslim-turks/#comment-148444</link>
		<dc:creator>Hula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually there was &lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,02061608,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;a recent news article&lt;/a&gt; about this...
Contrary to what most Westerners/non-Muslims think, women choose to cover themselves like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually there was <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,02061608,00.html" rel="nofollow">a recent news article</a> about this&#8230;<br />
Contrary to what most Westerners/non-Muslims think, women choose to cover themselves like this.</p>
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		<title>By: fluff</title>
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		<dc:creator>fluff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel sad for all the women out there who are forced to hide themselves like that. In my eyes this is one of the many signs of a very oppressive system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel sad for all the women out there who are forced to hide themselves like that. In my eyes this is one of the many signs of a very oppressive system.</p>
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		<title>By: Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 13:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I guess the institutionalized degrading of women is now considered "neat"...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I guess the institutionalized degrading of women is now considered &#8220;neat&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an indecent photograph. I can still see her face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an indecent photograph. I can still see her face.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 11:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like some scifi movie from the 50's.. is that a purple cone head?

FREE WOMEN!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like some scifi movie from the 50&#8217;s.. is that a purple cone head?</p>
<p>FREE WOMEN!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Nora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMg..wrist and ankle action! This is NSFTW!

(not safe for turkish work) ^_-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMg..wrist and ankle action! This is NSFTW!</p>
<p>(not safe for turkish work) ^_-</p>
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