Comments on: 5 Things To Know About Harems Before You Get One. http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/ The Neat Side of the Web Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:38:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Alex http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-152434 Alex Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:41:46 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-152434 Saleem, apparently there was an exception for Muhammad: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_marriages" rel="nofollow">Link</a> Saleem, apparently there was an exception for Muhammad: Link

]]> By: Saleem http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-151921 Saleem Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:31:59 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-151921 Upto Four wives are allowed in Islam. This has a historical reason as during the early period of the ascendance of Islam, when too many males died in the battles, they left behind widows and orphans. At this situation would have lead to destitution and prostitution, Muslim men of the time were allowed to marry 2, 3 or 4 women with the condition that they would support them fully and maintain equality between wives. This Quranic injunction is not a license to indulge in wanton pursuit of the pleasures of the fleah but rather a step towards bringing about social justice and save the hapless women from penury and life of disgrace. You would agree that living as second or third wife is better than indulging in adultery, prostitution or living as a Devdasi. It is very stnrage that the modern educated elite scoff at polygany but have no qualms at indulging in pre-marital and extra-marital sexual affairs. If any Muslim kings or emperors trangressed this limit, that is their problem. In any case, emperors are not the representatives of their faiths. It would be naive to presume otherwise. This names of kings provided in the article also illustrates that they belonged to different regions, faiths and eras. Why give the whole issue an anti-muslim twiest then? Upto Four wives are allowed in Islam. This has a historical reason as during the early period of the ascendance of Islam, when too many males died in the battles, they left behind widows and orphans. At this situation would have lead to destitution and prostitution, Muslim men of the time were allowed to marry 2, 3 or 4 women with the condition that they would support them fully and maintain equality between wives. This Quranic injunction is not a license to indulge in wanton pursuit of the pleasures of the fleah but rather a step towards bringing about social justice and save the hapless women from penury and life of disgrace. You would agree that living as second or third wife is better than indulging in adultery, prostitution or living as a Devdasi. It is very stnrage that the modern educated elite scoff at polygany but have no qualms at indulging in pre-marital and extra-marital sexual affairs. If any Muslim kings or emperors trangressed this limit, that is their problem. In any case, emperors are not the representatives of their faiths. It would be naive to presume otherwise. This names of kings provided in the article also illustrates that they belonged to different regions, faiths and eras. Why give the whole issue an anti-muslim twiest then?

]]> By: Rodolfo http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-106343 Rodolfo Sat, 05 May 2007 15:56:59 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-106343 The way you written, sounds like all the emperors cited in the 1st motive were muslims. I really liked the article!! I have one wife and sometimes I wish I have none!!! Imagine more with than one then... The way you written, sounds like all the emperors cited in the 1st motive were muslims.

I really liked the article!!

I have one wife and sometimes I wish I have none!!! Imagine more with than one then…

]]> By: Ted http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104627 Ted Wed, 02 May 2007 19:56:54 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104627 Oh, only 4 wives at one time. I guess that makes it okay, then. I just found the article confusing when it mentioned eunuchs. At first read, it sounded like you had to be a eunuch to own a harem. The equivalent of a harem today is polygamy, still being practised in some places, including the USA, but generally frowned upon as demeaning to women and abnormal. As for Kublai Khan waging war against Islamic nations - even if he were Muslim, I doubt that would have stopped him. Muslims fight each other all the time. Oh, only 4 wives at one time.

I guess that makes it okay, then.

I just found the article confusing when it mentioned eunuchs. At first read, it sounded like you had to be a eunuch to own a harem.

The equivalent of a harem today is polygamy, still being practised in some places, including the USA, but generally frowned upon as demeaning to women and abnormal.

As for Kublai Khan waging war against Islamic nations - even if he were Muslim, I doubt that would have stopped him. Muslims fight each other all the time.

]]> By: jb http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104622 jb Wed, 02 May 2007 19:22:25 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104622 Furthermore, "harem" means "forbidden," not "the place of the women." The harem was the place ordinary people were forbidden to go to. Furthermore, “harem” means “forbidden,” not “the place of the women.” The harem was the place ordinary people were forbidden to go to.

]]> By: JSG http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104402 JSG Wed, 02 May 2007 03:22:06 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104402 RTFA. It never says Kublai Khan was a Muslim, it just says he had a harem. A little reading comprehension goes a long way. RTFA. It never says Kublai Khan was a Muslim, it just says he had a harem.

A little reading comprehension goes a long way.

]]> By: Danial http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104395 Danial Wed, 02 May 2007 02:40:10 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104395 "Under Islamic law, a man can have as many wives as he can support, with the traditional number topping out at around four." The is the very first sentecnce and the begining of false statements. In Islamic laws, a man can not have more than 4 wives at one time. Also when he is ready to mary second/third or fourth, he must have permissions from his other existing wives. "The Arabic word harem means "the place of the women." The most important part of the harem was the zenana, or the inner sanctum where the sultan’s fantasies were played out...." This statement is also wrong - zenana is a place where all the female stays and outsider men not allowed, however, this place is occupied by female famiy members and not a place for Sultan's fantasies. All three comments before this are very true, just to add one line to Tvrss comment - how about Playboy Mansion ? Very misleading article. “Under Islamic law, a man can have as many wives as he can support, with the traditional number topping out at around four.”

The is the very first sentecnce and the begining of false statements. In Islamic laws, a man can not have more than 4 wives at one time. Also when he is ready to mary second/third or fourth, he must have permissions from his other existing wives.

“The Arabic word harem means “the place of the women.” The most important part of the harem was the zenana, or the inner sanctum where the sultan’s fantasies were played out….”

This statement is also wrong - zenana is a place where all the female stays and outsider men not allowed, however, this place is occupied by female famiy members and not a place for Sultan’s fantasies.

All three comments before this are very true, just to add one line to Tvrss comment - how about Playboy Mansion ?

Very misleading article.

]]> By: madrid kid http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104363 madrid kid Wed, 02 May 2007 01:24:01 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104363 Also, it is not "tradition" to top your wives at four, it is Islamic law. Powerful kings and war mongers had slaves, not wives. And 'harem' means 'women', not the place to house women. Very misleading. Also, it is not “tradition” to top your wives at four, it is Islamic law. Powerful kings and war mongers had slaves, not wives. And ‘harem’ means ‘women’, not the place to house women. Very misleading.

]]> By: tv rss http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104318 tv rss Tue, 01 May 2007 23:08:43 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104318 Harem is an arabic term, but the harem concept has existed everywhere. You'd be fooling yourself if you think it doesn't exist today, only we'd call it a professional brothel service. There are types of these services that cater specifically to politicians and the president himself (if needed). One needs to realize that being in a harem, wasn't necessarily the worst thing as those in the harem were often represented as having greater power or more socioeconomic status then the commoners outside the palace. Harem is an arabic term, but the harem concept has existed everywhere. You’d be fooling yourself if you think it doesn’t exist today, only we’d call it a professional brothel service. There are types of these services that cater specifically to politicians and the president himself (if needed). One needs to realize that being in a harem, wasn’t necessarily the worst thing as those in the harem were often represented as having greater power or more socioeconomic status then the commoners outside the palace.

]]> By: jake http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104284 jake Tue, 01 May 2007 20:08:42 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/01/5-things-to-know-about-harems-before-you-get-one/#comment-104284 Kublai Khan was not a muslim. In fact he waged war against several Islamic nations. Misleading article. Kublai Khan was not a muslim. In fact he waged war against several Islamic nations. Misleading article.

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