Comments on: Marooned on an Island, a Pride of Lions Evolved into Superlions. http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/ The Neat Side of the Web Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:16:56 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: yayo http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/comment-page-1/#comment-57649 yayo Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:57:45 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/#comment-57649 Oladiti, that's exactly what I say. They are good swimmers but they feed fairly well where they are so they won't swim away ^^ Denita, they are not different creatures. Darwin stated that we are subspecies by our own, we've got differences among the rest of individuals. Those lions and decendants will share same chars as they breed so they will constitute new subspecies. They are not different creatures, in order to achieve that they must spend thousands of years isolated from the mainland species limb. See that a chuhuaua could pair with a doberman, they seem different animals but they are just dogs with common antecessors, they've been selected by mankind to be the way we see them now. It's almost unbeliable that a chihuahua could come from some kind of big wolf! ^g^ Oladiti, that's exactly what I say. They are good swimmers but they feed fairly well where they are so they won't swim away ^^

Denita, they are not different creatures. Darwin stated that we are subspecies by our own, we've got differences among the rest of individuals. Those lions and decendants will share same chars as they breed so they will constitute new subspecies. They are not different creatures, in order to achieve that they must spend thousands of years isolated from the mainland species limb. See that a chuhuaua could pair with a doberman, they seem different animals but they are just dogs with common antecessors, they've been selected by mankind to be the way we see them now. It's almost unbeliable that a chihuahua could come from some kind of big wolf! ^g^

]]> By: Oladiti http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/comment-page-1/#comment-57648 Oladiti Wed, 13 Dec 2006 07:29:25 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/#comment-57648 Who wrote this nonsense? Maybe it's because I know Africa is a continent rather than a country, but this sounds like the usual overblown crap to me. Let's see... Lions marooned on an island by river diversion. These animals must be rather slow, especially as all lions are already strong swimmers (although they don't enjoy swimming as tigers do). Exactly where is this place anyway? (googles Duba:) OK, the island is 200 sq km in a swampy area of Botswana, and the lions are in fact able to come and go at will. Far from being marooned, they are favouring an advantageous environment for living and breeding. As for the 'highly advanced psychology' and laying in wait at watering holes, a thousand documentaries have shown lions doing this in the past. Hmmm, 'giant buffalo'. No such animal. I wonder where this description came from, neatorama? It seems that what we have here is generations of lions grown well-fed on buffalo meat (surprisingly protein-rich compared to other animals!), and probably catching said buffalo by the well-tried system of lion cooperation. Where is the link from? The Daily Mail, a UK paper notorious for exaggeration and talking crap... Come back Africanized bees! Who wrote this nonsense? Maybe it's because I know Africa is a continent rather than a country, but this sounds like the usual overblown crap to me. Let's see...

Lions marooned on an island by river diversion. These animals must be rather slow, especially as all lions are already strong swimmers (although they don't enjoy swimming as tigers do). Exactly where is this place anyway? (googles Duba:) OK, the island is 200 sq km in a swampy area of Botswana, and the lions are in fact able to come and go at will. Far from being marooned, they are favouring an advantageous environment for living and breeding. As for the 'highly advanced psychology' and laying in wait at watering holes, a thousand documentaries have shown lions doing this in the past. Hmmm, 'giant buffalo'. No such animal. I wonder where this description came from, neatorama? It seems that what we have here is generations of lions grown well-fed on buffalo meat (surprisingly protein-rich compared to other animals!), and probably catching said buffalo by the well-tried system of lion cooperation.

Where is the link from? The Daily Mail, a UK paper notorious for exaggeration and talking crap...

Come back Africanized bees!

]]> By: Denita TwoDragons http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/comment-page-1/#comment-57561 Denita TwoDragons Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:40:18 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/#comment-57561 ...no offense, Yayo, but they're still flies and bacteria. A slightly different fly or bacterium than the previous generation, but still the same kind of animal. None of them have yet to turn into some other creature. --TwoDragons. ...no offense, Yayo, but they're still flies and bacteria. A slightly different fly or bacterium than the previous generation, but still the same kind of animal. None of them have yet to turn into some other creature.

--TwoDragons.

]]> By: yayo http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/comment-page-1/#comment-57531 yayo Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:17:04 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/#comment-57531 Nope, not enough. But see that we're in mean bigger than our parents were when young and that's not because of the evolution but ambience causes, we eat better and grow faster. Those lions. As far as I can tell their descendants will learn their tactics and grow bigger. These are not bigger because of inheritance but the ambience: more food and less competitors ('til now). These have not evolved but for sure they will constitute a subspecies soon as Darwin stated. Our time alive is so short to watch the entire proc. but we've got enough info through the history about evolution, natural and human selection, it's as sure as there's stars and mountains, Carl Sagan explains much better than I do: http://furl.net/item.jsp?id=11035126 btw evolution and selection can be proved in a lab with flies and bacteria which can grow a new generation fast enough to watch them have new genetics. Nope, not enough. But see that we're in mean bigger than our parents were when young and that's not because of the evolution but ambience causes, we eat better and grow faster.

Those lions. As far as I can tell their descendants will learn their tactics and grow bigger. These are not bigger because of inheritance but the ambience: more food and less competitors ('til now).

These have not evolved but for sure they will constitute a subspecies soon as Darwin stated.

Our time alive is so short to watch the entire proc. but we've got enough info through the history about evolution, natural and human selection, it's as sure as there's stars and mountains, Carl Sagan explains much better than I do:
http://furl.net/item.jsp?id=11035126

btw evolution and selection can be proved in a lab with flies and bacteria which can grow a new generation fast enough to watch them have new genetics.

]]> By: Brian Frost http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/comment-page-1/#comment-57529 Brian Frost Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:14:42 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/#comment-57529 Is 15 years long enough to see the results of natural selection? Is 15 years long enough to see the results of natural selection?

]]> By: Dumb http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/comment-page-1/#comment-57480 Dumb Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:16:28 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/#comment-57480 Their large size is naturally selected for. This is definitive biological change. "The changes in populations that are considered evolutionary are those that are inheritable via the genetic material from one generation to the next." Two big cats which were naturally selected for have big kittens (its not that simple, but its all that is needed for the unschooled responding here). Therefore evolution works fine in this context. Their large size is naturally selected for. This is definitive biological change.

"The changes in populations that are considered evolutionary are those that are inheritable via the genetic material from one generation to the next."

Two big cats which were naturally selected for have big kittens (its not that simple, but its all that is needed for the unschooled responding here). Therefore evolution works fine in this context.

]]> By: beajerry http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/comment-page-1/#comment-57457 beajerry Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:56:53 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/#comment-57457 Fascinating article! "Lions at their maximum" would've been a better title. Fascinating article!

"Lions at their maximum" would've been a better title.

]]> By: Brian Frost http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/comment-page-1/#comment-57456 Brian Frost Tue, 12 Dec 2006 15:56:03 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/#comment-57456 I am a creationist and I am not opposed to the title. It is incorrect as this adaptation has not resulted in a genetic change. BUT, it is still a very cool story. Maybe one day a giant cat will attack Tokyo and then a giant lizard could defend the city.... maybe I am a creationist and I am not opposed to the title. It is incorrect as this adaptation has not resulted in a genetic change. BUT, it is still a very cool story.

Maybe one day a giant cat will attack Tokyo and then a giant lizard could defend the city.... maybe

]]> By: Monster http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/comment-page-1/#comment-57427 Monster Tue, 12 Dec 2006 12:54:46 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/#comment-57427 The word "evolution" is thrown around way too often and way too casually. I'd say most of the time when "evolution" is used in print it is really referring to adaptation or natural selection, which is completely different. Don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution. The word "evolution" is thrown around way too often and way too casually. I'd say most of the time when "evolution" is used in print it is really referring to adaptation or natural selection, which is completely different. Don't be part of the problem, be part of the solution.

]]> By: yayo http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/comment-page-1/#comment-57368 yayo Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:52:22 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/#comment-57368 Buffalos fall under continental lions claws too, but not as many and not as fast ^^. And we should better use "adapt" because creationists may also force me to delete this post ^g^. Buffalos fall under continental lions claws too, but not as many and not as fast ^^.

And we should better use "adapt" because creationists may also force me to delete this post ^g^.

]]> By: Alex http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/comment-page-1/#comment-57358 Alex Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:10:29 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/#comment-57358 You're right, tw2 - I had used it not in the strict biological sense (I helped edit Yayo's post). Adapted may be a better choice of word. However, there is such a thing as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium" rel="nofollow">punctuated equilibrium</a> [wiki] You're right, tw2 - I had used it not in the strict biological sense (I helped edit Yayo's post). Adapted may be a better choice of word. However, there is such a thing as punctuated equilibrium [wiki]

]]> By: sam http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/comment-page-1/#comment-57355 sam Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:52:19 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/#comment-57355 sucks for the buffalo sucks for the buffalo

]]> By: tw2 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/comment-page-1/#comment-57351 tw2 Tue, 12 Dec 2006 04:14:47 +0000 http://www.neatorama.com/2006/12/11/marooned-on-an-island-a-pride-of-lions-evolved-into-superlions/#comment-57351 Nice article, though I think that the title should be changed, since it gives the wrong impression. Evolution takes many thousands of years, not 15. What's happened here is that one single generation have adapted to their new surroundings, in a similar way to any other animal. Interesting article, thanks. Nice article, though I think that the title should be changed, since it gives the wrong impression. Evolution takes many thousands of years, not 15. What's happened here is that one single generation have adapted to their new surroundings, in a similar way to any other animal.

Interesting article, thanks.

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